Goodie Points - Revision history

Peter Knutsen: /* GPs are Non-Linear */ Fixing one more instance of AP used instead of DP

2011-02-04T16:56:41Z

GPs are Non-Linear: Fixing one more instance of AP used instead of DP

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	Goodie Points are converted to DPs, SPs and PPs according to non-linear functions. You put an amount of GPs into one end of the function, and out the other end comes an amount of category points.		Goodie Points are converted to DPs, SPs and PPs according to non-linear functions. You put an amount of GPs into one end of the function, and out the other end comes an amount of category points.

-	The function for Advantage Points, DPs, is AP = ((GP/5)*(GP/5))+(GP/2). Or in mathematical terms, if you prefer, f(x)=x^2+2x. Either way, round down to the nearest whole number.	+	The function for Advantage Points, DPs, is DP = ((GP/5)*(GP/5))+(GP/2). Or in mathematical terms, if you prefer, f(x)=x^2+2x. Either way, round down to the nearest whole number.

	Say you decide to spend 40 Goodie Points on Advantages. Divide the number 40 by 5. This gives 8. Multiply 8 by itself. This gives 64. Remember that number. Then return to the number 40, and divide it by 2. That gives 20. Then add 20 to the remembered number, 64, to arrive at the result of 84 DPs.		Say you decide to spend 40 Goodie Points on Advantages. Divide the number 40 by 5. This gives 8. Multiply 8 by itself. This gives 64. Remember that number. Then return to the number 40, and divide it by 2. That gives 20. Then add 20 to the remembered number, 64, to arrive at the result of 84 DPs.

Peter Knutsen: Content level categorization

2010-10-08T11:59:02Z

Content level categorization

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Peter Knutsen: typo

2010-10-06T07:29:26Z

typo

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	Goodie Points, abreviated GPs, are the central character creation "currency" of Sagatafl. When creating a character, one has an amount of Goodie Points to spend, and the more Goodie Points, the more powerful the character is.		Goodie Points, abreviated GPs, are the central character creation "currency" of Sagatafl. When creating a character, one has an amount of Goodie Points to spend, and the more Goodie Points, the more powerful the character is.

-	Crudely put, the more GPs a character is built on, the more capable he is of enforcing his will on the surrounding world, in both a passive ~~sence~~, such as preventing world entities from maimimg, murdering or humiliating him, and in an active sense, such as causing small- or large-scale change upon the world.	+	Crudely put, the more GPs a character is built on, the more capable he is of enforcing his will on the surrounding world, in both a passive sense, such as preventing world entities from maimimg, murdering or humiliating him, and in an active sense, such as causing small- or large-scale change upon the world.

	== GPs are Non-Linear ==		== GPs are Non-Linear ==

Peter Knutsen: Re-phrasing intro slightly

2010-10-06T07:27:07Z

Re-phrasing intro slightly

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-	Goodie Points, abreviated GPs, are the central character creation "currency" of Sagatafl. When creating a character, one has an amount of Goodie Points to spend, and the more Goodie Points, the more powerful the character is, (more capable of enforcing his will on the surrounding world).	+	Goodie Points, abreviated GPs, are the central character creation "currency" of Sagatafl. When creating a character, one has an amount of Goodie Points to spend, and the more Goodie Points, the more powerful the character is.
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		+	Crudely put, the more GPs a character is built on, the more capable he is of enforcing his will on the surrounding world, in both a passive sence, such as preventing world entities from maimimg, murdering or humiliating him, and in an active sense, such as causing small- or large-scale change upon the world.

	== GPs are Non-Linear ==		== GPs are Non-Linear ==

Peter Knutsen: /* The world */ creating section

2010-10-06T07:20:17Z

The world: creating section

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	== The world ==		== The world ==
-	~~A section mainly for~~ the ~~GM, or worldbuilder~~, ~~about~~ the ~~world impact~~ of the ~~phenomenon~~, ~~e.g. an Item Creation Power~~, ~~or an attribute or other stat that may sometimes be starkly high or low relative~~ to ~~the Human average~~.	+	The Goodie Point system does a good job of enabling the breadth of competences that need to exist in any realistic setting, from the few howling incompetents to the few profoundly capable. That the system is coarse-grained towards the low end of the competence scale, around normals and subnormals, does not matter, because it is not realistic for such people to be involved in interesting events in any capacity except as victims, and therefore it is not a legitimate power level for PCs in RPG campaigns.
	=== World impact ===		=== World impact ===
-	~~Talk about~~ the ~~effect on~~ the world ~~that~~ this ~~phenomenon would realistically have (taking into account~~ such ~~facts of human nature~~ as ~~greed~~, ~~ambition~~ and ~~sexual impulses)~~.	+	GPs do not really impact the world, except insofar as they encourage the creation of NPCs of a wide variety of competence levels, from normals and slightly-better-than-normals with important social roles, and to the thoroughly able who can and will affect changes upon the world according to their agendae or whims.
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		+	Campaigns can feature PCs at any power level, from about 60 GPs and up to as much as the world can bear, with this limit being dependent solely upon whether or not expensive abilities, such as space opera-scale psionics, exist within the world or not. If there are no such expensive abilities, the practical limit is probably 220 GPs or so, and maybe 300 or 340 GPs if there are, or even more than that for actual superhero scale characters.
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		+	PCs built on less than 60 GPs are a truly bad idea, because their autonomous ability to overcome realistially encountered world threats and world challenges is minimal, and so they rely upon direct GM intervention to get anything done, which is of course severely undesirable.
	==== The Ärth setting ====		==== The Ärth setting ====
-	~~Talk about how this trait appears and functions in the~~ Ärth ~~historical fantasy~~ setting.	+	The Ärth setting is a good example of the breadth of the GP value scale, with interesting characters some of which are worth as little as 80 GPs, and others that are worth more than twice as much.
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	== Quick mini-glossary ==		== Quick mini-glossary ==
	Explain terms of great relevance to the subject matter of the article here, but not terms that are of generally great importance (e.g. RD).		Explain terms of great relevance to the subject matter of the article here, but not terms that are of generally great importance (e.g. RD).

Peter Knutsen: /* Mini-FAQ */ changing section header slightly

2010-10-06T07:11:43Z

Mini-FAQ: changing section header slightly

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	== Mini-FAQ ==		== Mini-FAQ ==
-	=== General questions on GPs, Perks and functions ===	+	=== General questions on GPs, Perks and GP functions ===
	'''Q''': Why is NPC creation more flexible than PC creation, in terms of the spending limit on Perk Points? I thought Sagatafl was supposed to ''always'' treat PCs and NPCs the same way.		'''Q''': Why is NPC creation more flexible than PC creation, in terms of the spending limit on Perk Points? I thought Sagatafl was supposed to ''always'' treat PCs and NPCs the same way.
	<br>'''A''': The different treatment, with PC creators (typically players) being subject to a maximum of 65% of the Goodie Points spent on Perks, and NPC creators (almost always GMs) being allowed to spend up to 75% of GPs on Perks, is there to facilitate the creation of Perk-heavy incompetents. If the limit on NPCs was also 65%, then a GM who wanted to create an NPC with lots of Perks would have to use more GPs than the concept warrants, and end up sitting there with DPs and SPs in excess of what the character concept warrants, and he'd then spend those so that the end result is an NPC that is more inrinsically comptent than he ought to be. The 65% limit on PPs is extremely generous already, and even in a politics-heavy campaign, one ''starkly'' different from traditional adventuring, the PCs are very unlikely to go near that limit.		<br>'''A''': The different treatment, with PC creators (typically players) being subject to a maximum of 65% of the Goodie Points spent on Perks, and NPC creators (almost always GMs) being allowed to spend up to 75% of GPs on Perks, is there to facilitate the creation of Perk-heavy incompetents. If the limit on NPCs was also 65%, then a GM who wanted to create an NPC with lots of Perks would have to use more GPs than the concept warrants, and end up sitting there with DPs and SPs in excess of what the character concept warrants, and he'd then spend those so that the end result is an NPC that is more inrinsically comptent than he ought to be. The 65% limit on PPs is extremely generous already, and even in a politics-heavy campaign, one ''starkly'' different from traditional adventuring, the PCs are very unlikely to go near that limit.

Peter Knutsen: /* Mini-FAQ */ Removing one empty FAQ sub-section

2010-10-06T07:11:02Z

Mini-FAQ: Removing one empty FAQ sub-section

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	More than 220 GPs, and we're probably entering superhero territory. Sagatafl can still work there, but it'll be a different experience, and there should probably be vast supernatural options to spend Advantage Points on (or Perk Points for a truly high-level poltics campaign), such as stark Psionics or vast magical powers. Otherwise it'll just bog down in everyone having maxed every single Attribute and having double-digit levels in almost all skills, with no real character differentiation.		More than 220 GPs, and we're probably entering superhero territory. Sagatafl can still work there, but it'll be a different experience, and there should probably be vast supernatural options to spend Advantage Points on (or Perk Points for a truly high-level poltics campaign), such as stark Psionics or vast magical powers. Otherwise it'll just bog down in everyone having maxed every single Attribute and having double-digit levels in almost all skills, with no real character differentiation.
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Peter Knutsen: /* Please note */ clarifying "permanent" magical item

2010-10-05T00:06:59Z

Please note: clarifying "permanent" magical item

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	And note that this stacks multiplicatively. If you put ''eight'' times as many Goodie Points into Perks, you get something like ''216'' times as many Perk Points.		And note that this stacks multiplicatively. If you put ''eight'' times as many Goodie Points into Perks, you get something like ''216'' times as many Perk Points.
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		+	Permanent magical item refers to an item that remains magical forever (or at least for longer than a typical Human lifespan), as opposed to one that runs out of charges eventually and then is useless. It does not mean that the ownership of the item is in any way permanent or guaranteed.

	== Design history ==		== Design history ==

Peter Knutsen: /* Quick mini-glossary */ adding BR tags

2010-10-05T00:05:33Z

Quick mini-glossary: adding BR tags

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	'''Goodie Point'''. The "currency" of Sagatafl character creation. Each player gets an amount of these GPs, to distribute among the three categories of Advantages, Skills and Perks.		'''Goodie Point'''. The "currency" of Sagatafl character creation. Each player gets an amount of these GPs, to distribute among the three categories of Advantages, Skills and Perks.
-	'''Advantage Point'''. Abreviated DPs, these are used to buy Attributes, sub-Attributes and Advantages, all traits that the character is effectively born with (they are largely determiend by the character's genes, and cannot be improved at all once the character leaves early childhood, except through magic or futuristic technology).	+	<br>'''Advantage Point'''. Abreviated DPs, these are used to buy Attributes, sub-Attributes and Advantages, all traits that the character is effectively born with (they are largely determiend by the character's genes, and cannot be improved at all once the character leaves early childhood, except through magic or futuristic technology).
-	'''Skill Point'''. Abreviated SPs, these are used to buy Skills (and Lores, binary skills), and Trainings (such as improved Strength and physical endurance), acquired intrinsic abilities.	+	<br>'''Skill Point'''. Abreviated SPs, these are used to buy Skills (and Lores, binary skills), and Trainings (such as improved Strength and physical endurance), acquired intrinsic abilities.
-	'''Perk Point'''. Abreviated PPs, these are used to buy external or extrinsic advantages, desirable states of being, starting positions, such as having ownership of a magical item.	+	<br>'''Perk Point'''. Abreviated PPs, these are used to buy external or extrinsic advantages, desirable states of being, starting positions, such as having ownership of a magical item.
-	'''Level of play'''. The scope of the campaign, as determined by how powerful the player characters are. 80 GP PCs will be fighting robber barons, or raiding coastal villages, or crawling around in dungeons, while 160 GP PCs will go on legendary quests and may realistically save the entire world multiple times. Level of play changes very little, if at all, during the campaign, and therefore is determined by the starting GP amount. It has nothing to do, in any way, shape or form, with ''character'' levels.	+	<br>'''Level of play'''. The scope of the campaign, as determined by how powerful the player characters are. 80 GP PCs will be fighting robber barons, or raiding coastal villages, or crawling around in dungeons, while 160 GP PCs will go on legendary quests and may realistically save the entire world multiple times. Level of play changes very little, if at all, during the campaign, and therefore is determined by the starting GP amount. It has nothing to do, in any way, shape or form, with ''character'' levels.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

Peter Knutsen: /* Quick mini-glossary */

2010-10-05T00:05:06Z

Quick mini-glossary

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	== Quick mini-glossary ==		== Quick mini-glossary ==
	Explain terms of great relevance to the subject matter of the article here, but not terms that are of generally great importance (e.g. RD).		Explain terms of great relevance to the subject matter of the article here, but not terms that are of generally great importance (e.g. RD).
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		+	'''Goodie Point'''. The "currency" of Sagatafl character creation. Each player gets an amount of these GPs, to distribute among the three categories of Advantages, Skills and Perks.
		+	'''Advantage Point'''. Abreviated DPs, these are used to buy Attributes, sub-Attributes and Advantages, all traits that the character is effectively born with (they are largely determiend by the character's genes, and cannot be improved at all once the character leaves early childhood, except through magic or futuristic technology).
		+	'''Skill Point'''. Abreviated SPs, these are used to buy Skills (and Lores, binary skills), and Trainings (such as improved Strength and physical endurance), acquired intrinsic abilities.
		+	'''Perk Point'''. Abreviated PPs, these are used to buy external or extrinsic advantages, desirable states of being, starting positions, such as having ownership of a magical item.
		+	'''Level of play'''. The scope of the campaign, as determined by how powerful the player characters are. 80 GP PCs will be fighting robber barons, or raiding coastal villages, or crawling around in dungeons, while 160 GP PCs will go on legendary quests and may realistically save the entire world multiple times. Level of play changes very little, if at all, during the campaign, and therefore is determined by the starting GP amount. It has nothing to do, in any way, shape or form, with ''character'' levels.
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	== See also ==		== See also ==
	[[Advantage Point]]<br>		[[Advantage Point]]<br>