Profstat - Revision history

Peter Knutsen: /* Changing the Profstat */ Raising the cost of above-average Profstat by 50%

2011-03-18T11:26:31Z

Changing the Profstat: Raising the cost of above-average Profstat by 50%

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	\| normal \|\| \|\| 3 \|\| A normal Human		\| normal \|\| \|\| 3 \|\| A normal Human
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-	\| Increased Profstat I \|\| 10 \|\| 5 \|\|	+	\| Increased Profstat I \|\| 15 \|\| 5 \|\|
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-	\| Increased Profstat II \|\| 20 \|\| 6 \|\|	+	\| Increased Profstat II \|\| 30 \|\| 6 \|\|
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-	\| Increased Profstat III \|\| 30 \|\| 6.5 \|\|	+	\| Increased Profstat III \|\|45 \|\| 6.5 \|\|
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-	\| Increased Profstat IV \|\| 50 \|\| 7 \|\| (you probably don't ''really'' need 7)	+	\| Increased Profstat IV \|\| 75 \|\| 7 \|\| (note, you probably don't ''really'' need 7)
	\|}		\|}

Peter Knutsen: /* Mini-FAQ */ Now with line break!

2011-03-17T19:52:13Z

Mini-FAQ: Now with line break!

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	== Mini-FAQ ==		== Mini-FAQ ==
	'''Q''': There is a limit to how many Skill Points I can put into the Omniskill. Is there a similar limit for the other Profession Skills?		'''Q''': There is a limit to how many Skill Points I can put into the Omniskill. Is there a similar limit for the other Profession Skills?
-	'''A''': No. You may put as many SPs into those as you wish. The high price, and the built-in "gimp" of the automatic +1 RD penalty, makes this self-correcting; there's no need to have a limit.	+	<br>'''A''': No. You may put as many SPs into those as you wish. The high price, and the built-in "gimp" of the automatic +1 RD penalty, makes this self-correcting; there's no need to have a limit.

	== The world ==		== The world ==

Peter Knutsen: /* Mini-FAQ */ Adding a single Q&A

2011-03-17T19:51:54Z

Mini-FAQ: Adding a single Q&A

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	== Mini-FAQ ==		== Mini-FAQ ==
-	~~Empty~~ for ~~now~~	+	'''Q''': There is a limit to how many Skill Points I can put into the Omniskill. Is there a similar limit for the other Profession Skills?
		+	'''A''': No. You may put as many SPs into those as you wish. The high price, and the built-in "gimp" of the automatic +1 RD penalty, makes this self-correcting; there's no need to have a limit.

	== The world ==		== The world ==

Peter Knutsen: /* Design Notes */ typo

2011-03-17T12:57:16Z

Design Notes: typo

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	That leaves Charisma, Agility, Perception and perhaps Will.		That leaves Charisma, Agility, Perception and perhaps Will.

-	~~Yes~~ an APT Block for a non-binary skill must have exactly 7 elements. IIDDCAPW ''will not do''. The Dseigner's first idea was to reduce D to weight 1, thus IIDCAPW. That could work. Yet it overemphasizes Intelligence, a recurring tendency in Sagatafl given who and what The Designer is.	+	Yet an APT Block for a non-binary skill must have exactly 7 elements. IIDDCAPW ''will not do''. The Dseigner's first idea was to reduce D to weight 1, thus IIDCAPW. That could work. Yet it overemphasizes Intelligence, a recurring tendency in Sagatafl given who and what The Designer is.

	Replace it with 3? As it always-3? It was a radical idea, including something in the APT Block that was not a primary attribute. Yet the effect was obvious, and obviously desirable. Especially since it quickly occured to The Designer that the number 3 could also be used in the tenatively planned Profession skills.		Replace it with 3? As it always-3? It was a radical idea, including something in the APT Block that was not a primary attribute. Yet the effect was obvious, and obviously desirable. Especially since it quickly occured to The Designer that the number 3 could also be used in the tenatively planned Profession skills.
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	One might even postulate that a true conceptual Veteran character has Primary Attributes that are all lower than his Profstat. Codifying that into the rules would be blatantly against the spirit and ethics of Sagatafl, but having it as a guideline makes some sense.		One might even postulate that a true conceptual Veteran character has Primary Attributes that are all lower than his Profstat. Codifying that into the rules would be blatantly against the spirit and ethics of Sagatafl, but having it as a guideline makes some sense.
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	== Quick mini-glossary ==		== Quick mini-glossary ==
	'''Profession''': A very broad Skill, encompassing many regular Skills, but expensive to learn (high Difficulty) and challenging to learn to a high level (high Complexity) and not good for use outside of routine situations (it has an inherent RD penalty; everyone is essentially Incompetent with all Profession skills). An example would be the Soldier skill, which lets the character perform a lot of small tasks that a soldier would have been trained to do, but only being useful under routine circumstances because of the inherent RD penalty (written onto the skill, e.g. Soldier (commo) 4-1). A modern soldier would know some Tactics, can use military communications equipment, draw maps, dig trenches, and so forth.		'''Profession''': A very broad Skill, encompassing many regular Skills, but expensive to learn (high Difficulty) and challenging to learn to a high level (high Complexity) and not good for use outside of routine situations (it has an inherent RD penalty; everyone is essentially Incompetent with all Profession skills). An example would be the Soldier skill, which lets the character perform a lot of small tasks that a soldier would have been trained to do, but only being useful under routine circumstances because of the inherent RD penalty (written onto the skill, e.g. Soldier (commo) 4-1). A modern soldier would know some Tactics, can use military communications equipment, draw maps, dig trenches, and so forth.

Peter Knutsen: /* The world */ typo

2011-03-17T12:55:50Z

The world: typo

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	== The world ==		== The world ==
-	Profstat does not make a huge diffence for individuals, although it can reflect the outlook of an individual (or culture), and in a way grandness (not Jack-of-all-Trades bu rather Master-of-all-Trades!).	+	Profstat does not make a huge diffence for individuals, although it can reflect the outlook of an individual (or culture), and in a way grandness (not Jack-of-all-Trades but rather Master-of-all-Trades!).

	Even more so than for other Secondary and Primary Attributes, assuming Profstat to be 3 is a reasonable thing to do.		Even more so than for other Secondary and Primary Attributes, assuming Profstat to be 3 is a reasonable thing to do.

Peter Knutsen: /* Changing the Profstat */ Moving incorrectly placed paranthesis

2011-03-17T12:51:26Z

Changing the Profstat: Moving incorrectly placed paranthesis

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	In a more typical medieval setting, with some commerce, and lots of trade specialziation, individuals with Profstat 5 should be perhaps 0.5% to 2% of the NPC population, of both sexes.		In a more typical medieval setting, with some commerce, and lots of trade specialziation, individuals with Profstat 5 should be perhaps 0.5% to 2% of the NPC population, of both sexes.

-	People from broadly curious subcultures, such as roleplaying gamers and (amateur ~~authors~~), tend to more frequently have a high Profstat, and more generally, mass media such as popular science magazines, and public service and speciality television channels, will over time increase the number of people with a Profstat above 3.	+	People from broadly curious subcultures, such as roleplaying gamers and (amateur) authors, tend to more frequently have a high Profstat, and more generally, mass media such as popular science magazines, and public service and speciality television channels, will over time increase the number of people with a Profstat above 3.

	== Advice ==		== Advice ==

Peter Knutsen: /* About the Profstat */ Changing "less normal" to "special"

2011-03-17T12:48:12Z

About the Profstat: Changing "less normal" to "special"

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	== About the Profstat ==		== About the Profstat ==
-	The Profstat indicates how easy it is for the character to learn the normal Profession skills, and also the ~~less normal~~ Omniskill. It is therefore all about having something to "fall back on" when a character does not actually have the necessary skill. It also serves to "shift" the APT value of Profession skills closer to 3, making it harder for players to create characters who can easily learn Profession skills to high levels.	+	The Profstat indicates how easy it is for the character to learn the normal Profession skills, and also the special Omniskill. It is therefore all about having something to "fall back on" when a character does not actually have the necessary skill. It also serves to "shift" the APT value of Profession skills closer to 3, making it harder for players to create characters who can easily learn Profession skills to high levels.

	Profstat is not intended to be rolled for, at all, and it cannot be trained.		Profstat is not intended to be rolled for, at all, and it cannot be trained.

Peter Knutsen: typo

2011-03-17T12:47:28Z

typo

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	In the APT Blocks for these special skills, the number 3 appears in some places, alongside the regular letters that each refer to an attribute. The number 3 in all cases refers to the Profstat, which for almost all characters has a value of 3.		In the APT Blocks for these special skills, the number 3 appears in some places, alongside the regular letters that each refer to an attribute. The number 3 in all cases refers to the Profstat, which for almost all characters has a value of 3.

-	Profstat is an ~~abreviation~~ of Profession Stat, or Professional Stat.	+	Profstat is an abbreviation of Profession Stat, or Professional Stat.

	== About the Profstat ==		== About the Profstat ==

Peter Knutsen: /* Quick mini-glossary */ Extensive changes, and deciding that the Profession skill RD penalty is always +1

2010-11-21T10:59:09Z

Quick mini-glossary: Extensive changes, and deciding that the Profession skill RD penalty is always +1

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	== Quick mini-glossary ==		== Quick mini-glossary ==
-	'''Profession''': A very broad ~~skill~~, encompassing many ~~others in a "light" variant~~, but expensive to learn (high Difficulty) and challenging to learn to a high level (high Complexity) and not good for use outside of routine situations (an inherent RD penalty; everyone is essentially ~~Incompetent or Very~~ Incompetent with all Profession skills). An example would be the Soldier skill, which lets the character perform a lot of small tasks that a soldier would have been trained to do, but only being useful under routine circumstances because of the inherent RD penalty (written onto the skill, e.g. Soldier (commo) 4-1). A modern soldier would know some Tactics, can use military communications equipment, draw maps, dig trenches, and so forth.	+	'''Profession''': A very broad Skill, encompassing many regular Skills, but expensive to learn (high Difficulty) and challenging to learn to a high level (high Complexity) and not good for use outside of routine situations (it has an inherent RD penalty; everyone is essentially Incompetent with all Profession skills). An example would be the Soldier skill, which lets the character perform a lot of small tasks that a soldier would have been trained to do, but only being useful under routine circumstances because of the inherent RD penalty (written onto the skill, e.g. Soldier (commo) 4-1). A modern soldier would know some Tactics, can use military communications equipment, draw maps, dig trenches, and so forth.

-	~~Other examples are Housewife~~, ~~Office Worker, Servant or Slave (two names for the same skill). It must~~ be ~~emphasized~~ that Profession ~~skills are not intended~~ to ~~be a good substitute for specific~~ skills, especially for adventurers who very often find themselves in decidedly non-routine situations. Profession skills are merely better than nothing, and will perhaps also turn out to be a great aid in the creation of NPCs.	+	Profession Skills include skills that cannot be used untrained, because it can be assumed that the Profession training has included exposure to those skills.

-	~~Profession skills will almost certainly also follow a different cost progression scheme than regular skills. This decision has not yet been finalized~~, ~~but whereas~~ for ~~regular skills up until~~ the ~~Plateau Value each new~~ skill ~~level costs 150% of what the previous costs~~, ~~and twice as much after the PV~~, ~~for~~ Profession skills (~~and the Omniskill~~), ~~each skill level costs twice as much as the previous until the PV~~, and ~~after~~ the ~~PV three times as much~~.	+	Other examples are Housewife, Office Worker, Servant or Slave (two names for the same skill), Basic Science, Basic Humanities. It must be emphasized that Profession skills are not intended to be a good substitute for regular Skills (i.e. specific skills), especially for adventurers who very often find themselves in decidedly non-routine situations. Profession skills are merely better than nothing, and will perhaps also turn out to be a great aid in the creation of NPCs.

-	'''Omniskill''': Omniskill is like a super Profession. In any case where a character wants or needs to use skill that he does not have, and which can be used untrained (many physical and social skills qualify; magical skills almost never do), the character can use his Omniskill instead. Omniskill has an inherent RD penalty like Profession, except it is ~~always~~ +2 RD (written as -2 after the skill level, since the - makes it clear that it is a penalty, something that is ''undesirable''), whereas ~~it is not yet certain that all~~ Profession ~~skills~~ have an inherent RD modifier of +~~2; a few may have a higher modifier, or no modifier at all~~.	+	Profession Skills will almost certainly also follow a different cost progression scheme from regular Skills. Whereas for regular skills up until the Plateau Value each new skill level costs 150% of what the previous costs, and twice as much after the PV, for Profession skills (and the Omniskill), each skill level costs twice as much as the previous until the PV, and after the PV three times as much.
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		+	'''Omniskill''': Omniskill is like a super Profession. In any case where a character wants or needs to use skill that he does not have, and which can be used untrained (many physical and social skills qualify; magical skills almost never do), the character can use his Omniskill instead. Omniskill has an inherent RD penalty like Profession, except it is higher, +2 RD (written as -2 after the skill level, since the - makes it clear that it is a penalty, something that is ''undesirable''), whereas Profession Skills have a lower inherent RD modifier of +1 RD.

	On top of this, Omniskill also has severe restrictions on how many SPs can be put into it, further compounding the effect of the very high Difficulty and the high Complexity. See the article on Omniskill for more information about this.		On top of this, Omniskill also has severe restrictions on how many SPs can be put into it, further compounding the effect of the very high Difficulty and the high Complexity. See the article on Omniskill for more information about this.

Peter Knutsen: /* Changing the Profstat */ Including price for Profstat 7

2010-11-21T10:53:59Z

Changing the Profstat: Including price for Profstat 7

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	\| Increased Profstat II \|\| 20 \|\| 6 \|\|		\| Increased Profstat II \|\| 20 \|\| 6 \|\|
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-	\| Increased Profstat III \|\| 30 \|\| 6.5 \|\| (you probably don't ''really'' need ~~6.5~~)	+	\| Increased Profstat III \|\| 30 \|\| 6.5 \|\|
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		+	\| Increased Profstat IV \|\| 50 \|\| 7 \|\| (you probably don't ''really'' need 7)
	\|}		\|}